tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5007838299911865964.post747599375169258866..comments2024-03-28T13:06:53.688-07:00Comments on DoryMan: Building a John Gardner Bank Dorydorymanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16077373149267825091noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5007838299911865964.post-82878475597242290762011-12-14T20:20:08.957-08:002011-12-14T20:20:08.957-08:00It's a good feeling, isn't it, to know tha...It's a good feeling, isn't it, to know that John and Howard could have had the identical discussion? Maybe they did. Maybe it's a regional thing, and where they grew up, and those they grew up with, informed their word choices. <br /><br />At least it adds to the ambiance of keeping the ancient vessels alive in fact and in font. <br /><br />It is a good thing to keep the conversation alive because it carries so much history and so many lives in just this idea. And another generation gets their hands informed by the tools they work with.<br /><br />good stuff, good stuff<br /><br />MichaelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5007838299911865964.post-59315192479544889572011-12-14T11:01:02.834-08:002011-12-14T11:01:02.834-08:00Michael,
We humans like to simplify history so it ...Michael,<br />We humans like to simplify history so it will fit in a book, but the story is often more complicated. <br />The accepted version of the cod fishery was that it was on the Grand Banks, which is just one of many Banks where cod were found. <br /><br />In fact, the migration of Europeans to North America followed those fishing grounds from Portugal, to Greenland, to Newfoundland. In that sense, it seems correct to refer to the dories as Banks Dories. After years of popular usage it sounds strange to leave off the "s".<br /><br />In this case, I'm going with the usage I found in the plans, though many visitors here will assume Doryman doesn't know how to spell. I don't want to be accused of trying to revise history!dorymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16077373149267825091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5007838299911865964.post-63481873598080792972011-12-14T10:34:30.551-08:002011-12-14T10:34:30.551-08:00Well, not to be argumentative, and essentially in ...Well, not to be argumentative, and essentially in agreement with Doryman, the usage by HIC in American Small Sailing Craft, pps 88 and 59, is "Banks dory" on two separate illustrations.<br /><br />I believe that JG took the usage as a 'bank of dories' on the schooner's decks.<br /><br />I'm thinking they are both correct, Chappelle in reference to the Grand Banks and Gardner to the stack, or 'bank' on deck.<br /><br />We are so blessed: we can have it both ways.<br /><br />I realize this is an old post, but as ASSC is resting up against the keyboard, I thought it worth the time to make this addendum.<br /><br />Regards<br />MichaelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5007838299911865964.post-89039880445887190872010-05-04T21:43:58.539-07:002010-05-04T21:43:58.539-07:00Sure!
The shop teacher has big plans. He wants to ...Sure!<br />The shop teacher has big plans. He wants to sell the boats we build in class for the cost of materials + $50. How can you beat that deal? Each boat pays for the next.<br /><br />He spotted a <a href="http://dory-man.blogspot.com/2009/04/cosine-wherry.html" rel="nofollow">Cosine Wherry</a> at the Depoe Bay boat show and now he wants his kids to build one of those.dorymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16077373149267825091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5007838299911865964.post-8751834722737346782010-05-04T20:55:57.653-07:002010-05-04T20:55:57.653-07:00Would you build ME one too? I could use the exerci...Would you build ME one too? I could use the exerciseBaydoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00751866865203182109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5007838299911865964.post-61394055925178441432010-05-03T18:29:13.403-07:002010-05-03T18:29:13.403-07:00One of the best.
We have the frame all set up and...One of the best. <br />We have the frame all set up and could build you one, just let me know!dorymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16077373149267825091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5007838299911865964.post-46913311285473959022010-05-03T18:17:37.947-07:002010-05-03T18:17:37.947-07:00Thanks for the details.
I'll probably continu...Thanks for the details.<br /><br />I'll probably continue to call it a rowboat.<br><br>O Dockerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08674140306304705852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5007838299911865964.post-6621479544837838442010-05-03T18:04:53.318-07:002010-05-03T18:04:53.318-07:00Same boat(s). Same area.
Builders and historians ...Same boat(s). Same area. <br />Builders and historians I have known always referred to this design as the Banks Dory. It's so common, I never saw the discrepancy until now. Apparently Laingdon hadn't either, which is doubly curious, since he should have known, too.<br /><br />John Gardner is the preeminent authority on the history of these boats. The wiki references Gardener's book, in fact. We probably have to take his word over all others.<br /><br />The other reference is Howard Chapelle's "American Small Sailing Craft". I don't have a copy (I should). His research is also impeccable, so if he calls this boat a Banks, we have food for pendants.<br /><br />The bottom line is, I took the lines for the boat we are building from Gardner's book and he calls it a Bank Dory. <br />May it always be thus.<br /><br />I’ll see what I can find, but my gut reaction is if Gardner says one thing and others say something else, the others are mistaken.dorymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16077373149267825091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5007838299911865964.post-91388454923458464662010-05-03T09:15:47.395-07:002010-05-03T09:15:47.395-07:00So, is this Wikipedia post just wrong, or are they...So, is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banks_dory" rel="nofollow">this Wikipedia post</a> just wrong, or are they two different types of boats?<br><br>O Dockerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08674140306304705852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5007838299911865964.post-88949665583340380072010-05-03T09:06:05.829-07:002010-05-03T09:06:05.829-07:00Doryman makes mistakes all the time, but thanks to...Doryman makes mistakes all the time, but thanks to his faithful readers, it all works out in the end. Being corrected is far better than being on record in error.<br /><br />John spent his life getting the story right. We can trust him.dorymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16077373149267825091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5007838299911865964.post-4886272078761091622010-05-03T00:26:38.491-07:002010-05-03T00:26:38.491-07:00By God you're right, and even if he weren'...By God you're right, and even if he weren't dead I wouldn't try to argue with John Gardner! Should have known better than to try to put one over on Doryman.<br /><br />And by the way, congratulations on the launch, and for taking on this project. I helped teach a couple of boatbuilding classes with middle school kids at the SF Maritime Museum (we built Pelicans, of course), and it was a great experience.Laingdon Schmittnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5007838299911865964.post-36911672865364061992010-05-01T12:09:25.283-07:002010-05-01T12:09:25.283-07:00Laingdon,
For years I had made the same assumption...Laingdon,<br />For years I had made the same assumption, until a few days ago, while rereading Gardner's "Dory Book". To my surprise (and the text of this book has never changed in the thirty years I've owned it), John calls these dories "Bank Dories". With the exception that he calls for clinker construction, this is his 12 foot version (the measurement - as we know - is taken from the length of the bottom). I had already posted here, calling the boat a banks, but have since edited. How many times have I made this mistake in all the years I've built and written about dories?!?dorymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16077373149267825091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5007838299911865964.post-41849601480433972082010-05-01T10:11:14.342-07:002010-05-01T10:11:14.342-07:00To be fussy (as a native New Englander it is my na...To be fussy (as a native New Englander it is my nature), isn't it "Banks Dory", as in Grand Banks?Laingdon Schmittnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5007838299911865964.post-8095834556431232282010-04-25T11:30:09.703-07:002010-04-25T11:30:09.703-07:00O Docker,
It's been a learning experience for ...O Docker,<br />It's been a learning experience for me, too. For several years I ran my own construction company, so instructing novices on how to use tools is the easy part.<br />The difficulty is in emparting the magic you speak of. To be a boat builder, one needs to be intuitive. Instruction and logic will take you only so far. It's that sense of wonder that each boat contains... it's hard to express in words.<br /><br />When I was in public school, toys were not allowed. It's frustrating to compete with the gadgets, which come out any time a kid is idle. In a school with only a few hundred students, where everyone sees their friends all day, why would they need to text message?<br />To subvert the learning process. The modern version of passing a note under the desk.dorymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16077373149267825091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5007838299911865964.post-7104812485136074862010-04-24T22:13:38.229-07:002010-04-24T22:13:38.229-07:00I've gotten a huge kick out of watching this p...I've gotten a huge kick out of watching this project develop. Thanks much for posting.<br /><br />I am still in awe of people who can do things like this. Even though I follow the steps, it still seems like magic to me when the boat is finally finished.<br /><br />You are to be congratulated for encouraging young people to get involved in something that has no USB port, touchscreen display, or remote control.<br><br>O Dockerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08674140306304705852noreply@blogger.com